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		<title>By: Matthew Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mark First, thanks so much for taking time and interest to comment on this post. Secondly, I love what you said about viewing our clients through our own lens. And yes, I truly believe we can structure our fees to meet a deserved client right where they&#039;re at over an acceptable time period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mark First, thanks so much for taking time and interest to comment on this post. Secondly, I love what you said about viewing our clients through our own lens. And yes, I truly believe we can structure our fees to meet a deserved client right where they&#8217;re at over an acceptable time period.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Riffey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Riffey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other thing I neglected to mention - if this happens frequently and you want to find a way to help folks in this situation, group coaching might serve as a rung on the ladder. It gets the client a piece of you, allows you to leverage your time and often uses the power of the mastermind (Hill) as well.

Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other thing I neglected to mention &#8211; if this happens frequently and you want to find a way to help folks in this situation, group coaching might serve as a rung on the ladder. It gets the client a piece of you, allows you to leverage your time and often uses the power of the mastermind (Hill) as well.</p>
<p>Mark</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Riffey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Riffey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew, 

First, this is why every consultant needs to include a product ladder in their products/services mix. As your services and the clients you gravitate to change over time, its almost inevitable that your prices will increase and your time will become less available. It isnt just about price, but about your ability to scale (adults dont scale well) as well as your ability / desire to serve the people that you *really* want to work with. 

If there&#039;s a product ladder in place, you have an entry level for those without the necessary budget. More importantly, the product ladder gives you a way to groom prospective clients to climb the ladder and get themselves to the point where you can work with them. 

Second, if you think back you when you started your business, if you *knew* that working with someone who had *the* solution for your situation was out there and they refused to work with you because of their perception of your finances, how would you have felt? Im guessing you would have walked over broken glass to convince them to help you. We have to be careful not to judge others through our own lens, though there is a tipping point - and I think youve gotten plenty of advice in this thread about that:)

Finally, there&#039;s always a way to restructure your fees if you really, truly want to find a way to help someone you believe in. Instead of an upfront fee, you could ask for a piece of their gross increase over time, or any multitude of other structures that reduce their upfront cost while still getting you paid. 

Hope this helps:)

Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew, </p>
<p>First, this is why every consultant needs to include a product ladder in their products/services mix. As your services and the clients you gravitate to change over time, its almost inevitable that your prices will increase and your time will become less available. It isnt just about price, but about your ability to scale (adults dont scale well) as well as your ability / desire to serve the people that you *really* want to work with. </p>
<p>If there&#8217;s a product ladder in place, you have an entry level for those without the necessary budget. More importantly, the product ladder gives you a way to groom prospective clients to climb the ladder and get themselves to the point where you can work with them. </p>
<p>Second, if you think back you when you started your business, if you *knew* that working with someone who had *the* solution for your situation was out there and they refused to work with you because of their perception of your finances, how would you have felt? Im guessing you would have walked over broken glass to convince them to help you. We have to be careful not to judge others through our own lens, though there is a tipping point &#8211; and I think youve gotten plenty of advice in this thread about that:)</p>
<p>Finally, there&#8217;s always a way to restructure your fees if you really, truly want to find a way to help someone you believe in. Instead of an upfront fee, you could ask for a piece of their gross increase over time, or any multitude of other structures that reduce their upfront cost while still getting you paid. </p>
<p>Hope this helps:)</p>
<p>Mark</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 01:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Robin and @Cathy I sure appreciate your insight. Robin, I love how you confirmed with me that her responses to my questions were strong and not one of trying a power play. Cathy, I love your guidance about offering a few different choices ranging in price and time assisting our clients and us in finding the right service offering for each client.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Robin and @Cathy I sure appreciate your insight. Robin, I love how you confirmed with me that her responses to my questions were strong and not one of trying a power play. Cathy, I love your guidance about offering a few different choices ranging in price and time assisting our clients and us in finding the right service offering for each client.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy Toll</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy Toll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When clients cannot afford my fee, I take these approaches.
1. I say &quot;let&#039;s get creative&quot; and see if there are clients nearby who would also be interested in my services and who can pay for half. For instance, I might invite clients in suburban Philadelphia to contact neighboring organizations (I work in the public sector) to see if they&#039;d like to share costs for a consultation with teams from each organization. 
2. I reply that, although I cannot offer this client my services directly, I will bear in mind that they are looking for my services and let them know if I will be in the area anyhow. I would still need to charge them my consulting fee but would then be able to waive travel expenses.
3. I suggest that they start with my online resources (web site, ning, Twitter feeds) and then get back in touch when they can afford more.

In addition, I am developing for-fee online learning modules for those who cannot afford to interact with me in person. I don&#039;t believe these modules will substitute for in-person work, but they will indeed provide some assistance (while also serving as another revenue stream for me!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When clients cannot afford my fee, I take these approaches.<br />
1. I say &#8220;let&#8217;s get creative&#8221; and see if there are clients nearby who would also be interested in my services and who can pay for half. For instance, I might invite clients in suburban Philadelphia to contact neighboring organizations (I work in the public sector) to see if they&#8217;d like to share costs for a consultation with teams from each organization.<br />
2. I reply that, although I cannot offer this client my services directly, I will bear in mind that they are looking for my services and let them know if I will be in the area anyhow. I would still need to charge them my consulting fee but would then be able to waive travel expenses.<br />
3. I suggest that they start with my online resources (web site, ning, Twitter feeds) and then get back in touch when they can afford more.</p>
<p>In addition, I am developing for-fee online learning modules for those who cannot afford to interact with me in person. I don&#8217;t believe these modules will substitute for in-person work, but they will indeed provide some assistance (while also serving as another revenue stream for me!).</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Dickinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin Dickinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Matthew,

No hesitation - I would engage her.  Here&#039;s my logic:

Her responses to your questions are strong.

“I can find a way to get the money.”

“please don’t deny me the opportunity to pay for your services if I believe you can help me start my dream business.”

These are assertive, possibility-based answers (even without hearing her voice tone etc).

She could have said:

&quot;I don&#039;t have any money right now, but I&#039;ll see if I can get it&quot;

&quot;I was hoping for a discount.&quot;  etc

She demonstrates a strong, street-smart attitude and gutsy approach in the way SHE handled YOUR questions/&#039;objections&#039;, which in my books is the foundation stone of entrepreneurship.

Best to you, Robin :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Matthew,</p>
<p>No hesitation &#8211; I would engage her.  Here&#8217;s my logic:</p>
<p>Her responses to your questions are strong.</p>
<p>“I can find a way to get the money.”</p>
<p>“please don’t deny me the opportunity to pay for your services if I believe you can help me start my dream business.”</p>
<p>These are assertive, possibility-based answers (even without hearing her voice tone etc).</p>
<p>She could have said:</p>
<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t have any money right now, but I&#8217;ll see if I can get it&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;I was hoping for a discount.&#8221;  etc</p>
<p>She demonstrates a strong, street-smart attitude and gutsy approach in the way SHE handled YOUR questions/&#8217;objections&#8217;, which in my books is the foundation stone of entrepreneurship.</p>
<p>Best to you, Robin <img src='http://strategicincubator.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mary I can see why your site is called Sage Advice Marketing.com by your response to this situation. I find sage wisdom in everything you said.

Mary, I want to thank you for taking the time to comment. I&#039;m clicking Follow on Twitter now and headed to your blog. Be Well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mary I can see why your site is called Sage Advice Marketing.com by your response to this situation. I find sage wisdom in everything you said.</p>
<p>Mary, I want to thank you for taking the time to comment. I&#8217;m clicking Follow on Twitter now and headed to your blog. Be Well.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Adams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is such a difficult issue.  It demands some intuition knowing whether or not the person who &quot;can get the money&quot; is digging a deep hole for herself or whether her expectation of your services is in line with a financial return that she can reap from your help.  

It&#039;s always hard to dash someone&#039;s hopes and dreams.  What works for me (at times--not always) is to develop a proposal with the full cost for doing the project as well as an a la carte menu with price tags for each aspect.  I&#039;ll ask the client what kind of return they require to spend that kind of money.  It starts the person thinking in realistic terms, rather than expecting hockey-stick growth for their business based on wishes and dreams.

If the client can answer the tough financial questions about what will happen if the programs fail, then I go ahead and try and make their day!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is such a difficult issue.  It demands some intuition knowing whether or not the person who &#8220;can get the money&#8221; is digging a deep hole for herself or whether her expectation of your services is in line with a financial return that she can reap from your help.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s always hard to dash someone&#8217;s hopes and dreams.  What works for me (at times&#8211;not always) is to develop a proposal with the full cost for doing the project as well as an a la carte menu with price tags for each aspect.  I&#8217;ll ask the client what kind of return they require to spend that kind of money.  It starts the person thinking in realistic terms, rather than expecting hockey-stick growth for their business based on wishes and dreams.</p>
<p>If the client can answer the tough financial questions about what will happen if the programs fail, then I go ahead and try and make their day!</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Alex I tend to err on the side of less grief all the way around, like you. I get what you&#039;re saying about taking a chance on certain people after waying the situation carefully.

As an aside, I lived in K.C. for 2 years. Our middle daughter was born in Blue Springs, MO.

Thanks for taking the time to offer your guidance. I really appreciate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Alex I tend to err on the side of less grief all the way around, like you. I get what you&#8217;re saying about taking a chance on certain people after waying the situation carefully.</p>
<p>As an aside, I lived in K.C. for 2 years. Our middle daughter was born in Blue Springs, MO.</p>
<p>Thanks for taking the time to offer your guidance. I really appreciate.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mike Myatt I love the idea of pro-bono practice and venture practice. So simple, but brilliant. Makes total sense to me. It&#039;s different than saying, &quot;okay, we will consider eliminating our fees and doing it for free&quot; vs. &quot;we have a practice dedicated to paying it forward with select individuals and organizations.&quot;

Love it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike Myatt I love the idea of pro-bono practice and venture practice. So simple, but brilliant. Makes total sense to me. It&#8217;s different than saying, &#8220;okay, we will consider eliminating our fees and doing it for free&#8221; vs. &#8220;we have a practice dedicated to paying it forward with select individuals and organizations.&#8221;</p>
<p>Love it!</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mark I like your &quot;if you can find the money, let&#039;s go&quot; comment. The qualifying questions you offered are great. I&#039;ll add them to my own questions. I love your &quot;Showing Clients the Door&quot; post. Dude, we must get coffee soon as Portland neighbors do so often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mark I like your &#8220;if you can find the money, let&#8217;s go&#8221; comment. The qualifying questions you offered are great. I&#8217;ll add them to my own questions. I love your &#8220;Showing Clients the Door&#8221; post. Dude, we must get coffee soon as Portland neighbors do so often.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Greenwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Greenwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew--this is not to say I haven&#039;t taken a chance with a couple of clients--but I carefully weigh what I think is their ability to grow into profitability. It is a tough call...a gut check. 

I do hold out hope that a risky client I have now will make it over the hurdle, and I will be proud and financially rewarded when he does. 

I generally err on the side of less grief all the way around. As others have said, time spent on a client that I judge to have little chance of growing takes me away from the clients and prospects that put food on the table for my family. 

Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew&#8211;this is not to say I haven&#8217;t taken a chance with a couple of clients&#8211;but I carefully weigh what I think is their ability to grow into profitability. It is a tough call&#8230;a gut check. </p>
<p>I do hold out hope that a risky client I have now will make it over the hurdle, and I will be proud and financially rewarded when he does. </p>
<p>I generally err on the side of less grief all the way around. As others have said, time spent on a client that I judge to have little chance of growing takes me away from the clients and prospects that put food on the table for my family. </p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
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